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« on: December 10, 2008, 09:02:12 AM »

This question was discussed somewhere else amongst foreign boxer breeders with regard to teeth of the boxer.

They have pointed out that the boxers mouths this day and age seem to be getting worse (wry, Narrow etc),  and far away from the norm with what they should be - nice wide bite for working.  Since the boxer is a working breed, one asked -

What is your opinion on boxer teeth in breeding and judging of modern boxer? Ignore/Maintain or Improve?

As mentioned by Jennifer that some breeders so put importance on Pigment when breeding, while others not as much, does bite/teeth fall into this as well when some breed?   

I was at one show last year.   Sitting with the owner of a bitch that was handled by a pro handler.   The judge was looking her over and the owner was squirming in his chair saying "Dont look at her mouth, please dont look at it".   The judge did not and she won her class.   Later chatting with him he mentioned her mouth is horrid.   She has everything going for her but the mouth.   
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 09:30:43 AM »

To me the mouth is important . Without a good mouth the head ( muzzle) will look off .I do think it is harder to find a wide straight bite . So a person may have to work on slowly improving what you have . Like keeping the straight uncrowded teeth and improving the width .

I have been told by many long experienced breeders is that a bad mouth will always come back to haunt you . It may skip a generation but it will show up again .
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 09:42:45 AM »

I have been told by many long experienced breeders is that a bad mouth will always come back to haunt you . It may skip a generation but it will show up again .

True, but I feel that this is true about every fault your dog has. So a bad bite on an otherwise good dog would not stop me from showing or breeding the dog. I think you have to look at the dog as a whole and decide whether you feel they are worthy or not.

IMO, we should be trying to improve the bites. But, I think this is a hard thing to do because so many dogs with less than perfect bites have been breed and are back there in the gene pools.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 10:35:20 AM »

Does anyone have a pic of a "perfect" mouth/bite?
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 06:11:57 AM »

It falls into the overall picture, and remember that we're supposed to be judging the entire picture when we judge the boxer and when we make breeding decisions. Any breeder who focuses on one or two things only, will end up with a mess of mediocrity. The breeder who focuses on the whole dog will end up with a balanced dog with one or two areas of weakness.

Mouths are something that I've become very familiar with, as this is probably one of Mia's biggest weaknesses. She's round, too undershot and narrow. And in finding a boyfriend for her, I've been careful to find a dog who's strong in all areas, but especially strong in bite.

I think we also need to keep in mind that boxer mouths are, by basic nature, a mess. They're far departed from what mother nature intended and completely man made. That they have a tendency to try to revert back to what mother nature intended isn't a surprise to me (which is what we see in a dog that is round and narrow).

Currently, of all of the dogs in my home, none of them have what I would feel is a great bite. Nedra's mouth is round, narrow and too undershot. Pixie's bite is gloriously wide and straight, but completely level (no underbite, but her bite is the widest I've ever seen on a boxer, NA, UK and Euro combined). And I mentioned Mia's bite above. It's just something that we have to work on, and certainly, given all of Mia's great attributes, I'll not be focusing solely on bite, rather than retaining all of the great things she has and just improving on what she doesn't have.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 06:20:53 AM »

I have a question about teeth...one thing I noticed with my two is that other than their canine/fang teeth...their teeth, especially the front ones are itty bitty...smaller than any other dog I've ever seen...is this normal...do boxers have small incisors
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 06:22:15 AM »

Found a photo of Pixie's bite (notice how the tips of her lower canines are set so wide they're touching the top ones!):

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 06:23:37 AM »

I have a question about teeth...one thing I noticed with my two is that other than their canine/fang teeth...their teeth, especially the front ones are itty bitty...smaller than any other dog I've ever seen...is this normal...do boxers have small incisors

The teeth are supposed to be large, which is another area that I've noticed that NA and UK dogs are lacking in general. Seems like generally, the Euro mouths that I've seen tend to have larger teeth.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 07:00:44 AM »

Without a good mouth the head ( muzzle) will look off .

This is not always the case either. Padding and flew can and does hide mouth issues. I'd guess that you'd not look at the bitch in my avatar and immediately think "round and narrow" (with the realization that I just might not be seeing it because I know it). Because of this, it's always good to check bites when going over a dog.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 07:41:55 AM »

Interesting...
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 10:34:33 AM »

Bugsy has a mouth just like Pixie's (I looked on your site too).  No turn up on Bugsy either, but a nice wide bite.
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