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« on: November 05, 2009, 08:58:17 PM »

Was wondering if anyone else experienced a backwards slope in your dogs in training? Like they do one thing with PERFECTION for so long, then suddenly it's like they just wanna do their own thing and forget how to do it.

Class on Monday was frustrating. Grady's been doing so well lately, but the last couple of classes, he's really showing his "dark side." But this past Monday, I was so frustrated.

He's had beautiful sit/down/stays - to the point that our instructor has put nervous dogs next to him b/c she knew Grady would not break a stay, look at the dog, or anything to make that dog more nervous.

Monday, we were doing 1 minute stays in a sit. We'd done up to 5 minutes in the previous weeks with no problem whatsoever. However, he broke THREE times in one minute! wreck Then when we did down/stays for 3 minutes (again, has done up to 5 minutes without even moving his feet), he kept trying to crawl towards me, get up, move around, roll over, etc. I had to keep correcting him many times.

The trainer kinda ticked me off too b/c even tho she knows he's had beautiful stays up until this past week....she came up to me and said, "you REALLY need to work on those stays!" as if we'd been having problems the entire time and that at 7 weeks in, we shouldn't be messing up this much. I had to remind her that he's done them perfectly up until now. So she says, "well I guess every dog has his day, huh." I kinda wanted to punch her in the mouth! LOL

His heels are beautiful and perfect. He could work a lil more on his attention during his heels, but for the most part, his eyes are locked on me the entire time we move. She catches him ONE time while he decides to watch the other dogs in the next ring over and again...."you need to work on his attention!" smash

She asked if Grady would work with her assistant to demonstrate slow and fast heels. He refused. He kept looking for me, pulling on her, trying to trip her off her feet trying to find me. He'd worked for her before, so no idea what his deal was.

We also did stands and stay for exams. He's done em perfectly before, but again, this week....he moved and tried to sit. And just getting him to stand was difficult cuz he'd inch forward then try to sit.

I know we have set backs, and I know they test us at times, but I dunno if it's b/c I was stressed (had to leave early the next morning for a business trip) and knew I had alot of other stuff to do, or if because it was a full moon, or what....but it just seemed we were doing this stuff for the first time. I kept my patience with him and tried to play with him during our down times, and made it fun....but he just seemed so disinterested in playing then when he finally got around to playing with me....he refused to stop and started barking his fool head off.

Maybe it was just an off-day for both of us, but it seems like the last class before this one, he started doing some of this, but was easily moved out of it. This time....not so much. The hard part is that next Monday is our 8-week test. If he doesn't do these simple things that he's done a million times, he'll fail the class and have to repeat it....even tho he's done it a MILLION times without any problems. We've got to work alot on it this week, but I'll be really disappointed if his lil mind-games he's trying to play on me (I know that's what it is) continue on when we have to be tested on it and he fails! He's been so good and the instructors have all said up until now....."watch the boxer do it" or "Grady, you show these other dogs how it's done" and now they're saying, "you better work on that or you won't pass next week!", it's just really disappointing.

I haven't been too fond of this trainer. She lets so many people get away with barking, lunging dogs (playfull, but still disruptive), I don't necessarily agree with her style (like she tells you to keep repeating the word "stay" if your dog is about to break - I believe you say it once and you mean it once, they break, you start over - otherwise, they learn the command as "stay, stay, stay, stay, dont move, stay, eh eh, stay, stay). I hope to not have to repeat it with her again!

Anything I can do to get him outta his head games by Monday? I went thru this with Rubi, but not right before we would be tested and told if we messed it up then, we'd fail. Other trainers gave you a learning curve - if they know you could do it, they usually chalked it up to nerves, etc. But I dont want him thinking that this is the way to act (he also tries to spend alot of his downtime trying to rile up the other dogs Roll Eyes) and especially not right before we end a training class and won't be back til either January or March.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 08:58:33 PM »

Wow - that's really long....sorry! LOL
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 09:41:04 PM »

Actually at our club we talk about the "5 week regression" -  that generally around the 5th week of a class, a dog will regress back.  It is more common/obvious in the basic obedience (non-competition) classes than others, maybe because the dogs are "greener." Seems like they fall completely apart rather than having only one exercise or area falter.

Xena has always been very good at stays - since we've done competition training, I can only think of one time she broke during training (a club member made kissy noises to distract the dogs in class and she went to give him love).  Then in September she broke her stays in competition and at the ABC she "held" them but wiggled on her back for a couple moments of the down-stay!

Yes, regressions happen and they are frustrating - you just have to go back and start again (often from the very "beginning") and keep plugging away at it.  With time and work, they'll snap out of it.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 11:21:29 PM »

Yes, regressions happen and they are frustrating - you just have to go back and start again (often from the very "beginning") and keep plugging away at it. 

I agree.  I think it also depends on how young the dog is too.  Molly has 1 Q in Novice and we have struggled to get any more.  A few weekends ago we trialed for 2 days.  Both days she did really well on all her exercises we've struggled with and looked like we were going to Q.  She's always had rock-solid sit/down stays.  I could always count on that.  Well for some reason on both days she went down on the sit-stay and we lost our Q's.   wall  What I learned from that is that I can't take anything for granted and we need to practice and reward everything not just the weak points.  I know it can be frustrating but keep at it and don't give up.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 08:32:24 AM »

It happens to all of us........I mean afterall they have to keep us on our toes  laugh4

It also takes a really long time and lots of work in many different places for a dog to be solid on an excercise. Often times you think they have it but they don't really. It could have been a bad day for him, or for both of you, or he may not be as solid at it yet as you think.

With Skye I had a beautiful recall ever since she was a tiny puppy, and we worked on it a lot, then one day, boom......it was gone, and she was struggling. I can't recall what may have led to that happening, but we had to take several steps backwards (make things easier, switch things up a bit) and just keep working at it.

You just have to relax and keeping working at it, and realise that this will probably happen many times as you proceed.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 08:32:42 AM »

Maybe upping his reward will get him back on track .Getting a better reward than what he is used to may get him back to being interested in what he should be doing .
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 08:47:50 AM »

Thanks for the tips. I'm definitely going to have to keep working, I just hate that he's regressing right at the 8 week mark - right when we are about to be tested and could possibly fail. wreck I know about the 5 week regression period and he's usually shown it in the 3-4 week period (he did in both Basic and again in Advanced, right at the same mark), but maybe it was just his goofiness and not a true regression. Maybe he's just showing it a lil later.

I worked on his stand stays last night. And again, he's done them very well before, and last night he seemed uneasy/nervous about even doing it. So, we've got alot of work to do this week. I know I was stressed and worried about all I had to do for my trip. I'll definitely have to up his reward...been doing that, but I think he's done with chicken and wants the other goodies I bring instead.
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