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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2013, 11:54:13 AM »
Is she already on joint supplement? Maybe if the "crunch" is arthritis, you could ease some discomfort by lubing the joint. This is what I'm using for Dash as a preventative: http://www.pupsup.com/Canine-HylaSport.htm (I bought it for Xena to assist the Adequan, but we weren't very far into the treatment before she died, so I don't know for sure that it works well on tough cases).  It has Glucosamine, Chondrotin, MSM, and Hyaluronic Acid. The Hyaluronic Acid is starting to gain popularity in supplements because it is included in the natural fluid of joints, so the goal is to add to that natural lubrication. There is a form of it in the injections Aaron gets in his knees (he's missing half his cartilage).
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2013, 02:50:21 PM »
She has been on Dasaquin for a couple years now.
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 12:37:44 PM »
Looks like there are a couple of version of that brand - does it have hyaluronic acid?
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2013, 01:48:00 PM »
Hmmm...I'm not sure. I would have to look at the bottle. If not, I will get something that does have the acid in it when the Dasaquin runs out.  :thumbsup:
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2014, 06:10:21 PM »
Hi~
My Mugs (5.8 yr old) has been diagnosed with CCL.  She's been limping for a year on her knee, and started a little whimpering last week, trying to get comfy for bed. 

I've read through a few threads in here about this and, of course, seem to get more questions than answers!

First question:  How does a specialist make this diagnosis and surgery better for dogs than a general vet? 

Why give supplements for years if it doesn't really make the problem go away??

How much more does a specialist usually charge for these surgeries vs a regular vet?? 

My husband was against the surgery, also, and wanted me to look into this forum and others to get more answers.  I hope you guys will be able to help us out! 

Thank you! 

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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2014, 10:17:37 PM »
The specialist and general vet will make the diagnosis in the same way, they do the drawer test and tibial thrust test, movement with either indicates an unstable knee. The difference comes with the type of training and the experience with different surgeries. Your regular vet may not be comfortable doing the surgeries, so he refers everyone to a specialist. If you want the TPLO or TTA done, a specialist is the only way to go. The general vet may be able to the the traditional, or commonly referred to as fishing line surgery, but for a more active dog, it should be done with stronger line and some vets make a few modifications like extra connections to make it more stable during the recovery.

Supplements won't make the problem go away, they can help with arthritis, but they won't heal a torn ligament.

I've been through two TPLOs with boy Star, I'd do it again in an instant.
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2014, 08:35:27 AM »
Ditto everything Christina said.  ;D  My husband was against surgery for Abby at first, until we saw the specialist then he was convinced. My vet doesn't do the surgery so we had to go to the specialist for it...he was great and Abby's recovery was pretty easy.  I have heard the cost difference is $2200 for a vet vs. $5000 for a specialist.

Abby is still on supplements for her arthritis, the surgery didn't get rid of that, that will always be there, but the supplements help her...plus I give her a Rimadyl when she is having a tough day.

I don't regret having the surgery for her, she will never be able to run like she used to, but she can have a normal life...she's 8 now, so her running and jumping days were probably over even if she didn't tear her CCL.  ;)

Good luck and keep us posted!!
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2014, 10:10:48 PM »
This thread is very helpful as we suspect Keanu may have a torn ccl. Poor guy actually moves pretty well but after resting comes up lame in the right rear knee. Will be exploring options after his corneal ulcer has cleared up. Poor guy, breaks my heart when he is limping about as he is such a athletic strong guy. Ugh.


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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2014, 11:56:09 PM »
Poor guy. Do you have a clinic that does physical therapy in your area? I've also heard that is very helpful.

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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2014, 07:03:19 PM »
Within a few hours yes but not real close. I was recommended to look into them by a friend as an ortho will always want to cut. The odd thing is some times he seams perfectly fine and then seemingly out of no where you catch him limping. Weird.


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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2015, 04:07:06 PM »
E any updates? Did Keanu have the surgery or did rest help?
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2015, 10:07:39 PM »
Sorry did not notice this.
  We have been back and forth to the optometrist for a corneal ulser. Treatments, time, and money had me concentrating on that first. Good news the eye is all healed up.
  We have been trying to limit his crazy running ( we all know how hard to impossible that is). He gets out of hand and usually limps that night or longer. Recovers though.
  Next up is Fiona's spay in two weeks, hope to get him in to get some opinions after that. Some of the things he is able to do etc, make me wonder if it is a tear. Who knows. I hate seeing him limp though..... He just loves to burn!
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2015, 09:34:19 AM »
It does sound like a tear. Star would run like crazy, play, jump, all the crazy thing a boxer does, but he had bilateral partial tears. He ended up with significant arthritis in both knees because it took so long for him to be diagnosed properly and to have the surgery
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2015, 08:59:51 PM »
How long are we talking. That is what I am afraid of but so many thing at once, I have to prioritize.
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Re: CCL UPDATE 9-4
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2015, 06:01:48 PM »
It took almost a year before Star got his diagnosis. The main thing is you have to keep them calm before surgery, and then after surgery too. I know it's hard, especially with a boxer that doesn't think they are hurt. They are VERY stoic dogs. The surgeries aren't created equal, the traditional surgery is fragile and while it can be successful on large dogs, they cannot have explosive movements for at least 8 weeks. The TPLO is more expensive, but very forgiving. Star jumped a 4 foot xpen three or four days after surgery and he was fine. It of course gave me a heart attack, but his knee was ok. It takes 6-8 weeks for the bone to heal, but during that time you slowly build up the exercise. I completely understand prioritizing. There are two groups on Facebook, TPLO treatment for canines, and Orthodogs. Both are good resources.
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