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Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« on: September 13, 2011, 06:08:42 PM »
And both were normal!!   :partybanana: :boing:  Both have slight murmurs but the cardiologist feels they are "normal Boxer murmurs" and will not cause any problems.  This was Mukki's first echo and I have the form to send in to OFA to have her certified Normal.  For those that don't know or remember, this was Koda's third echo.  His first, a year ago, was Abnormal, diagnosed with Dilated Cardiomyopathy, I was told it was a progressive disease with no cure or way to slow progression and he was estimated to only live a few more years.  Thanks to Jennifer referring me to the Yahoo Doberman health group, since DCM is so much more common in that breed, I was given advice about supplements and he's been on seven of them for the past year.  His second echo six months ago showed improvement but still some abnormalities, not out of range enough to categorize his heart as Abnormal but not Normal either so it was rated Equivocal.  Today all measurements were well within Normal range, he still got an Equivocal rated form to send to OFA but only because of his past heart results and the supplements he's on, which the cardiologist is now considering medication.  She said if I took him off supplements for six months and then his heart echo'd Normal again she'd certify him that way, even though she's been telling me all along that they would not and are not helping, are just a waste of money and a bother to Koda and I should not be giving them.  I don't think I'll take him off anything he's on.  They're all safe, natural vitamins/supplements, no drugs.

I'm just so happy they both tested normal today and I can pretty much stop thinking Koda is probably going to die young.   ;D
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 06:58:28 PM »
Yay for both of them! I am so happy to hear about Koda's results, that is really fantastic!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 07:16:48 PM »
Woo hoo...glad Koda's is improving and Mukki is good to go!
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 09:18:42 PM »
Great news  :thumbsup:

So how does the cardiologist explain the difference in Koda's echo's if it is not the supplements he is on?
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 09:49:38 PM »
 :thumbsup: Wonderful!!!!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 08:37:17 AM »
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 09:11:57 AM »
Excellent news!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 09:26:21 AM »
That is really great news!

Sometimes it is hard for a dr to admit that they were wrong.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 04:15:19 PM »
awesome news!  congrats!
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 04:25:48 PM »
Awesome news :thumbsup:
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 04:29:36 PM »
So how does the cardiologist explain the difference in Koda's echo's if it is not the supplements he is on?
She basically has no explanation, seems a bit confused by his case.  I don't know if she's ever had another client do so much research and try alternative treatments/supplements.  She has suggested that maybe his heart was larger than normal because he is so athletic and gets so much exercise, and conceded that one of the supplements he's on, taurine, may be helping, but insists the others aren't.  Her reasoning is "there is no proven benefit from any of them," which I can understand because I like proof too but strong evidence is good enough for me in many cases.  The Doberman health group people told me those supplements work in concert together and he wouldn't get the full benefit of any one of them without the rest.

That is really great news! Sometimes it is hard for a dr to admit that they were wrong.  :thumbsup:
I agree, and to clarify, this is NOT their primary care vet I have written and spoken of so highly in the past, who is by far the best we've ever had.  That vet is supportive of alternative treatments, raw diet, minimal vaccines, leaving them intact (and has read the research showing the harm those surgeries, and excess vaccination, can cause), Koda's heart supplements, etc., has been following his echos with interest and she is also really into training and titling active working dogs, specifically hunting Retrievers, so we connect on that level too.  I want a board certified cardiologist do the echos though, which is the only thing we've see her for.  She always checks with the primary care vet before an echo to see whether the dog is "up to date" on shots, and she always says they are knowing I only give rabies every three years as required by law after initially vaccinating them one time for parvo and distemper as puppies.  ;)  The cardiologist always looks at me funny when I tell her I feed them raw meat and doesn't ask for any more details.  :laugh4:

Thanks, everyone.  :)
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Re: Koda and Mukki both got echocardiograms today
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2011, 09:58:31 PM »
Great news. What a relief!  :thumbsup:
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