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AMVA against cropping and docking
« on: November 21, 2008, 11:03:09 AM »
This morning,I received an e-mail saying that on Saturday, the AVMA (American Veterinary Medical Association published a new policy on their web site concerning Cropping and Docking.

http://www.avma.org/issues/policy/animal_welfare/tail_docking.asp

AVMA policy

Ear Cropping and Tail Docking
(Oversight: AWC; HOD 07/1999, EB revised 11/2008)

The AVMA opposes ear cropping and tail docking of dogs when done solely for
cosmetic purposes The AVMA encourages the elimination of ear cropping and
tail docking from breed standards.

The AKC will issue a press release later today on this topic. Although the AKC works with the AVMA, the AKC was completely blind-sided by this, as there has been no discussion on this topic between the groups in years.

#1. You need to tell your Parent Club's Board of Directors that this has happened.

#2. We need to get together at the Delegates' meeting in California and talk about what we can do as a group. We need to take a reasoned approach.

I will send more information as I have more.

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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 11:05:34 AM »
Oh Man!  I hope this doesn't come to pass.  I know Sandra (my Vet) doesn't crop ears.  She docks, but thinks cropping is only cosmetic and unnecessary.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2008, 05:39:24 PM »
Oh Man!  I hope this doesn't come to pass.  I know Sandra (my Vet) doesn't crop ears.  She docks, but thinks cropping is only cosmetic and unnecessary.

The 2 vets I take my dogs to think the same thing.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2008, 05:56:17 PM »
i hope this doesnt pass!
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2008, 07:18:12 PM »
Honestly, I would love to see more natural-eared boxers doing well in the show ring....but I know it's a slow process.

Obviously I would be totally against it being dictated whether you can dock/crop...I think it should be a personal decision, even though I'm against cropping personally.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2008, 07:44:35 PM »
Honestly, I would love to see more natural-eared boxers doing well in the show ring....but I know it's a slow process.


i agree. id like to see more floppy boxers there.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2008, 08:10:08 PM »
The AKC put out a statement about the issue and their disappointment:

AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB STATEMENT ON
AVMA EAR CROPPING AND TAIL DOCKING POLICY

New York, NY (November 21, 2008) -- The American Kennel Club(r) was
advised this week of the AVMA's newly amended policy on ear cropping and
tail docking following its adoption by the AVMA Executive Board at the
recommendation of their Committee on Animal Welfare on November 15,
2008.

Historically, the AKC has worked closely with the AVMA to ensure that
the rights of individual dog owners, and breed standards, remain
protected. However, the AKC was very disappointed to not have been
consulted regarding this latest iteration of the policy, despite having
been in frequent contact with the AVMA in recent months.

At a joint meeting this Wednesday AKC explained to the AVMA that we
recognize ear cropping and tail docking, as prescribed in certain breed
standards, are acceptable practices integral to defining and preserving
breed character, enhancing good health, and preventing injuries. These
breed characteristics are procedures performed to insure the safety of
dogs that on a daily basis perform heroic roles with Homeland Security,
serve in the U.S. Military and at Police Departments protecting tens of
thousands of communities throughout our nation as well as competing in
the field.

Mislabeling these procedures as "cosmetic" is a severe
mischaracterization that connotes a lack of respect and knowledge of
history and the function of purebred dogs. Breed standards are
established and maintained by AKC Parent Clubs (each of the 158 AKC
registered breeds is stewarded by a breed-specific Parent Club) keeping
foremost in mind the welfare of the breed and the function it was bred
to perform.

As a not for profit organization that has been devoted to the
advancement and welfare of dogs for 125 years, the AKC believes that all
dog owners bear a special responsibility to their canine companions to
provide proper care and humane treatment at all times and that
responsible dog owners, in consultation with their veterinarian, have
the right to make decisions regarding appropriate care and treatment of
their pets.

AKC's policy on the issue, which remains unchanged, states:

The American Kennel Club recognizes that ear cropping, tail docking, and
dewclaw removal, as described in certain breed standards, are acceptable
practices integral to defining and preserving breed character and/or
enhancing good health. Appropriate veterinary care should be provided.

Dog owners who would like to contact AVMA directly regarding their
policy should direct comments to Gail Golab, head of the AVMA Animal
Welfare Division:
ggolab@avma.org or 847-925-8070.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2008, 09:12:26 PM »
Honestly, I have mixed feelings on this issue....
I for one am against ear cropping as I feel that it's a lot to put a dog through...and it takes away from the natural look of the dog.  I think boxers look beautiful and regal with cropped ears, but I'm not sure that it's in the best interest of the dog.  Not only is there the surgery but all the taping and posting and stuff...can't be comfortable.  People look down on mothers who get plastic surgery for their children...what's so different with a dog?  They are unable to make decisions for themselves just like a child and are often subjected to things that they wouldn't choose if they had a choice. 

On the other hand...the dog is the owner's "property" and if they want to dock/crop it's their right to do so...it's not causing long term pain and suffering and it's not detrimental to the animal's health...I really just don't know...

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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2008, 08:56:21 AM »
People look down on mothers who get plastic surgery for their children...what's so different with a dog? 

Good point - cosmetic surgery is really is all about the human that pays for it, not the dog, isn't it? Of course, there are those who would argue that ear crops and tail docks are NOT cosmetic at all.

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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2008, 10:42:11 AM »
i think its a personal choice. ive never had a cropped boxer but im considering my next one to get cropped. IMO the docked tails just fit boxers. i think boxers with tails are cute but i think docked tails just make the boxers really stand out.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2008, 11:29:06 AM »
I don't have a cropped dog, but if i was showing I think I would.  The cropping does "add" to the expression IMO.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2008, 11:33:21 AM »
I would never have the ears cropped unless I planned on showing, otherwise I don't see the need to have it done.  I do love the cropped look though.  The cropped/docked is a signature boxer look and if it were to banned, I have to admit, I would be disappointed.
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2008, 11:36:09 AM »
I would never have the ears cropped unless I planned on showing,

I agree.  To crop a pet boxer, IMO, is PURELY cosmetic.  It's not like anyone is judging your pet based on whether or not his ears are done like they might do in the show world.  Why put the through that unnecessary surgery for nothing??

BUT....even though that's my opinion....I guess I am still "pro-choice."
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2008, 12:14:55 PM »
I am pro-choice on this issue too.  I haven't had any of our boxers cropped and I won't unless I was going to do conformation with them.  Though I do love the look of a good ear crop. 

Docking - I believe that docking is in the best inerest of some breeds, including boxers.  I seriously don't know if I could have a boxer that wasn't docked.  The speed at which those nubs fly around - imagine that being a whole tail!  Our house would be totally destroyed!
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Re: AMVA against cropping and docking
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2008, 09:10:38 AM »
The AVMA hasn't really supported cropping and docking for a long time; the change now is that they're a) flat-out opposing it and b) trying to tell dog owners (via the breed standards) what they can and cannot do with their dogs.  Their previous policy statement (since 1999) was this:

"Ear cropping and tail docking in dogs for cosmetic reasons are not medically indicated nor of benefit to the patient. These procedures cause pain and distress, and, as with all surgical procedures, are accompanied by inherent risks of anesthesia, blood loss, and infection. Therefore, veterinarians should counsel dog owners about these matters before agreeing to perform these surgeries."

Still pretty biased - especially in light of their (hypocritical, IMO) support of pediatric sterilization - but at least allows owners, in consultation with their veterinarians, to make medical decisions regarding the care of their dogs.

This is not a law or rule; it is simply a policy statement.  It does, however, give a huge boost to anti-cropping and anti-docking laws.  Look for a rash of those being pushed by H$U$ & affiliates in 2009.
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