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What is a blind cross?
« on: January 23, 2008, 12:56:35 PM »
Someone from my training club emailed this video around - a 71 yr old man and his lab.  Fabulous to watch, but I was confused because she said "look at his use of blind crosses" -  I know there are front and rear crosses, which as I understand are guiding the dog to run in front or behind where you are while running the course.  But blind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrpHneQOhMI
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 01:00:20 PM »
A blind cross when the handler changes sides by crossing in front of the dog's path with his back turned to the dog as the side change occurs compared to a front cross which is when the handler  changes sides by crossing in front of the dog's path and turning into the dog, keeping the dog in sight throughout the side change.
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 01:01:01 PM »
It's probably just another term for her to use referring to how he doesn't watch the dog as he sends him into a cross... ??? ... I'm not sure, though. *heh*

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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 01:02:25 PM »
Heather - So is a blind cross the same as a rear cross?  Sending the dog w/your back to them?
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 01:13:25 PM »
No the rear cross is going behind the dog, and having the dog in your sight, you also can have direction on the path the dog is going to go.

With the blind cross is moving infront of the dog with your back turned - hence for that slight moment having no sight of the dog.

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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 01:15:45 PM »
Ahh, got it now. I think I need to stare at some clearer Agility videos to see what those look like more clearly... *wanders off to Renee's site*  ;D
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 01:17:53 PM »
I dont think all instructors teach it.   Some dont belive it in and use front and rears but I have read that other have found it (blind crosses) helpful when coming out of a tunnel etc.  I think it makes the dog go faster - but not too sure.

However I think the advanced handlers use it, for me, being a novice, I have a hard enough time with front and rears let alone blind!!!
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 01:28:25 PM »
I'm sure it'll be the same for me - I'm still stumbling through box drills (left and right turns w/out Xena) for my Pre-Novice class!
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 01:30:16 PM »
Hence why I do not do Aerobics!   I still trying to master, lead, clicker and treats with two hands.

Luckily we have been loosing the lead, but still, its hard to switch hands (clicker treat) when you are trying to get the correct way to come out of tunnels or jumps.
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2008, 01:33:33 PM »
If you watch Paul again - he does blind crosses as Bit goes from the Dogwalk/Jump - Bit goes behind Paul and over the jump

And from the Weaves to the tunnel - again, Bit finishes the weaves, goes behind Paul and into the tunnel.

Sometimes a rear cross while the dog is IN the tunnel is also called a blind cross although a much safer one to execute.

Blind Crosses are tricky - Paul's MS make them a necessity (he's from my area, I see him at every trial...).  You need to know where you are putting one in, so you know what you are doing but not used often.

They go in fads though - it's used to be that if you COULD front cross, that meant "your dog is slow", so NOBODY did front crosses :dizzy2: and now they are back in style and it's "OK to do them"...people like to comfort themselves with stuff like that

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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 01:35:28 PM »
Is your clicker on a lanyard? The one that came w/my Karen Pryor "click" book (good, but my pups already know the stuff they cover in it) is on a lanyard and I've taken advantage of that.  Heck, you could probably even cinch it up to go loosely around your waist or something for easy access :thumbsup:  Of course, I haven't added the leash into the equation yet - just doing hind-end awareness in the LR - but it's helped w/the fumbling factor between treats and clicker.

Oh wow, Paul has MS?  I'll have to forward the link to my family - mom likes watching Agility and the family loves seeing MS success stories.  Not that my brother could be that mobile  :no:, but nice to see how others manage.  ;D
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 01:39:17 PM »
Renee - So would you say something like a mix of front and rear crosses is a "good" mix that's fairly safe from fads?  :)
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 01:41:06 PM »
No I have it on some wrist thing like a telephone cord thing.  Its always attached to my wrist, and then I have my treat pouch.   I have been working with new treats that are easy to load into my palm so I can click and treat with one hand.   Now that's talent if I can ever master it!!
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 01:45:55 PM »
Oh, what kind of treats are easy to load?
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Re: What is a blind cross?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2008, 01:59:42 PM »
I have two - one I use the freeze dried chix hearts which I cut in half.  Then another is a beef roll (almost like a summer sausage) I cut into peices that I can hold plenty.  The hearts are nonmessy and the roll can get a little greasy but both have worked well. 

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