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Title: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 25, 2007, 01:57:50 AM
I am a new mom of an 8 week old fawn and cannot seem to get the same advice twice so I have no clue what to listen to.  We have had Abbey for a week tomorrow and the accidents are about 50/50 with the outdoor training.  I saw a post on here stating to take them out every 20 min. no matter what and it should work in about two weeks.  Is this true? If I start doing this how long should I stay outside and have her try?? I am completely new to this and can use all the help I can get.  We are not crate training.  We use a crate when we leave the house and we are going to try it for bedtime too.  What should we do?

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Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: ~CLOWN~ on March 25, 2007, 07:47:48 AM
Just keep taking her out as often as you can and walk around with her for 5 minutes or so. Many people use bell training. She will get it, she's just a baby. Use Nature's miracle to clean up her accidents, because if she smells it in the house, she will think it's okay to do it again. Good luck!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: BoxerPerson on March 25, 2007, 08:14:12 AM
20 minutes seems alot...I agree with Kathy, but would like to add this is a process and it takes time, it definately will not be 100% in 2 weeks.

Welcome BTW, your pup is adorable!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: highdrama on March 25, 2007, 09:50:21 AM
I did it every 20 minutes unless Henri was sleeping, of course I wouldn't wake him!  Soon as he woke, outside.  Soon as he'd eaten, outside, soon as he'd finished playing outside.  I watched him like a hawk and if he was up and around, he'd be outside every 20 minutes without fail.  We had a handful of accidents, all our own fault through not watching him 100% but it was quick and I was surprised.  We didn't use papers, training pads, anything, just outside.  He was treated the minute he went and taught "good hurryups".  It was so easy.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Maddies Mumma on March 25, 2007, 10:41:20 AM
Take a look in the housetraining section, there is info on bell training and crate training and of course info on how often to go take your little one out.  Right now she doesn't even know she has to go, we did every 45 min out, but that was only if she was being lazy or inactive.  If she was playing she went out right after, or right after eating, right when she woke up from sleeping.  give it a few more days and you will start to see the "signs" that she has to go.  We did the bell training and that helped us so much!!!  Just don't give up, it can take many months before she becomes 100% in even telling you that she needs to go out.  and even after that there are chances of accidents. 
Good luck and remember it is going to take time!!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: JugglingWolves on March 25, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
I think Bell training is more useful when they've already got the hang of pottying outside.

Just watch her like a hawk. The second she wakes up (she should be doing a ton of sleeping right now), take her outside. When she's playing, she's preoccupied, but if she wanders away from you, I bet she's gotta go, so take her outside. Always take her to the same place outside and she'll begin to associate that spot with going potty. If she starts to go in the house, don't reprimand her! Clap your hands and make her stop, then take her to her potty spot. You don't want her to feel like going potty is bad, just show her where it's appropriate.

She's really just a baby. It can take a while to house train pups and they can take months to be really consistent. My boy is five and a half months old and he still doesn't get how to ask to go out. I just gotta keep an eye on him!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Pearlywhirly on March 25, 2007, 12:04:32 PM
Just like everybody else said, keep a very close eye and be patient. You can't realistically expect your pup to be accident free until 8-12 months old, that's a long time from now. Be consistent and fair, your baby is trying but it will have an accident occasionally. Take her to the same spot outside every time, on a leash, and give her a few minutes. If you feel there are too many accidents maybe a trip to the vet is in order to rule out any medical problems.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: JugglingWolves on March 25, 2007, 12:09:04 PM
i forgot to mention: reward her when she goes outside! Don't reward her the second she starts going other than with a soft "Good girl." Once she's finished be very excited that she went outside and possibly give her a treat reward. This really really helped with Keenan.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Krister182 on March 25, 2007, 03:21:00 PM
I agree with the others. Are you home all day with her or is she crated most of the day while you are at work and you are just trying to do the potty training thing at night? That will make a difference too.
When we trained Kalia I had a kitchen timer clipped to my body all the time. Every hour we went outside and we'd go out also any time she woke up, finished playing, and 10 mins after each meal. It didnt take her long. Also when she does go outside you need to CELEBRATE! My neighbors probably thought I was nuts out there having a party when she'd potty. Just be patient, she probably wont get better for another couple of weeks with consistent training.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 25, 2007, 03:23:14 PM
First, you should be aware that with your pup being 8 weeks old you've got a long road ahead of you. Housetraining is a process, and it often takes many weeks or months.

Make sure you read the stickies in this forum for advice.

You don't have to use the crate in between potty trips, but you do have to limit her freedom and access in the house - keep her within your direct sight at all times. Never scold or punish, always clean up accidents with an enzymatic cleaner. Be patient and consistent.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: blynn03 on March 25, 2007, 05:08:59 PM
I saw a post on here stating to take them out every 20 min. no matter what and it should work in about two weeks.  Is this true?

No dog is going to be fully house trained in 2 weeks no matter what you do.  They definitely could start getting the idea, but they won't be "fully housetrained" until they've gone months without an accident.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: maggiemaysmom on March 25, 2007, 07:43:07 PM
I agree with the others.Potty training takes months.
Get a schedule going and stick with it.It gets frustrating
at times.The only way I know Maggie wants out,is when
she stands by the door and starts sniffing.Or if I am in another
room she comes and barks until I get up and sees what she wants.
She is 17 months now,but it was almost a year until she was
completley trained.We now have added a toy poodle to our family,
so am going through the potty training again.He seems to be a quicker
learner,but I think I am more on the ball,with taking him outside sooner.Good Luck,and have patience...
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 25, 2007, 11:11:18 PM
Thank you everyone for your help and I will continue to read and learn with all your help.

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Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: BoxerPerson on March 26, 2007, 12:22:39 AM
The pic in your siggy is adorable.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 26, 2007, 12:29:56 AM
Today was a good day...only one number one accident inside.  Last week we were lazy and letting her sleep on the couch with us at night, so now as I type, there is a little girl screaming bloody murder in the basement for the whole neighborhood to hear.  I'm hoping this will only last a couple of days.  It would be so easy to let her up right now so we could all go to bed.  Help me stay strong people!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: PoseidonsMom on March 26, 2007, 12:41:01 AM
Why's she in the basement? She'd probably settle down a lot quieter if she were with her people, even if she is crated.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: ~CLOWN~ on March 26, 2007, 06:41:35 AM
I agree with Leanne~ Boxers want to be with their people. Can you put the crate in your bedroom? Or get a smaller crate/pet carrier to temporarily use?
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: BoxerWB on March 26, 2007, 09:23:18 AM
Can I ask why she's crated in the basement and not in a family area?  Or is the basement a family area?  Crate training can be made a little easier if she's in a well-used area that will smell strongly of family.

Also, if she's too far away from you in her crate, how can she cry loud enough to wake you when she needs to potty in the middle of the night?  An 8 week old needs at least 2 potty trips during the night, they aren't nearly old enough to hold it all night.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 26, 2007, 09:43:12 AM
I crate my dogs in my bedroom. If they cry you can lie next to them for comfort, even with your hand in the crate. My dogs would cry now if they were crated in the basement and away from their family.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Krister182 on March 26, 2007, 10:01:56 AM
It might take a day or two of her crying. I would definitly bring her up to your room to sleep. You have to hear her whine to go potty in the night (or you are undoing all your potty training work) and also she will probably be more calm there. I know when we put Kalia in the crate that first night you'd have thought we were killing her. She screamed for over an hour solid. I laid down on the floor next to the crate and let her lick my fingers through the bars. She finally settled and went to sleep. By the third night she was fine with being there. Also whatever you do DO NOT let her out after a period of whining because you can't take it anymore. You have to let her cry it out. If you do let her out, even once, she's going to learn crying gets her out of the crate and it will only last twice as long next time you put her in there. Good luck! Arent puppies fun??  ;)
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 26, 2007, 10:11:37 AM
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You have to hear her whine to go potty in the night (or you are undoing all your potty training work)

This is a VERY good point. An 8 week old puppy isn't physically able to hold it all night - she needs nightly potty trips. You have to have her nearby to know when she's stirring and needs to go out. If she's forced to soil her crate it can become a habit and the crate will cease to be of any use to you for housetraining.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 26, 2007, 03:22:38 PM
My husband put the crate in the basement I think because the yelping has been keeping our six year old awake and she has school so early in the morning but it also could be because the crate for his boxer when he was younger at home was in the basement.  She screams for hours and I can usually tell the difference between the yelps already especially when she will go both before going in the cage and then the yelping starts and she will rest shortly for less than an hour and when she starts to yelp again you can tell it is a different one so I take her out and put her back in and it starts again for hours.  I will talk to my husband about moving her cage when he comes for dinner tonight.  He works 3pm-2am so he usually takes her out when he gets home and then she is down for a few hours unless he puts her in the cage.
Is it horrible to let her sleep with a family member????
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: ~CLOWN~ on March 26, 2007, 03:26:07 PM

Is it horrible to let her sleep with a family member????

I think most of us have pups that sleep with us!! As long as you can tell when she has to get up and potty, I think it would be fine. Maybe some plastic under your sheets would be a good idea  :)
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 26, 2007, 03:37:34 PM
Well that makes me feel much better because I remember when I had my children it was a known rule that allowing a child to sleep with you was a horrible mistake and that it would come back to haunt you.  She will lay down and sleep for hours if  i take her with me and I am a very light sleeper so I can tell when she gets up and as soon as she stirs to stand I take her out and she has not even come close to going on my bed.  When she sleeps with my husband on the couch she can get down by herself and he doesn't realize and a few days ago she had several accidents during the night in the kitchen because he didn't realize she was up at all.  That has stopped.....he is too heavy of a sleeper.  I just didn't want to undermine any good work by letting her be with me.  I am releaved to hear the pups stay with thier owners.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Christen83 on March 26, 2007, 03:49:30 PM
We let Bruce sleep with us.  He was always touching me so when he stirred I woke up (even though I'm usually a very heavy sleeper).  So when he woke up I'd take him out immedieately and he go right back to sleep when we got inside.

There's some recomendation/equation about how long a puppy can hold it's bladder at rest, but it escapes my memory...
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: BoxerWB on March 26, 2007, 04:30:06 PM
Well keep in mind, if you allow her to sleep with you now, you'll still have to let her when she's 50-6lbs.   If that's ok by you, it's not horrible.

I suspect if she isn't trapped away from you and you don't respond to her cries, she'll start settling much quicker.   We gave in to Xena the first two nights and let her out of the kitchen (didn't have a crate) - boy what a mistake!  So then we decided to wait her out.. the first night was miserable but we refused to make a peep in recognition of her complaints.   The second night, we heard a little fussing and then it was right off to dreamland. 

Have you been doing crate training with her at other times that tells her the crate is a safe comfortable place to be?  Probably a lesson she hasn't learned if she gets stuck all the way in the basement everytime she's put in it  :confused:
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 26, 2007, 04:37:28 PM
Letting your dog sleep with you is a personal choice. My dogs sleep with me all the time, if they have permission (or if they can sneak up without waking me after I go to sleep ::) ). But you have to teach them rules - they are not allowed on the bed if you don't want them there.

Also, remember that a puppy will need to potty at night. Some puppies will cry to let you know, but some will potty on your bed while you sleep! :o If you are a heavy sleeper, it might not work out very well.

If you bring the crate upstairs and she cries you can do a few things so that your daughter can sleep. You can lie next to the crate to calm her, you can play low music or turn the TV on low, you can stuff a towel or blanket under your bedroom door and your daughter's bedroom door, you can put a heavy blanket over the crate.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Renee on March 26, 2007, 07:14:57 PM
You can always do nightly potty trips, but it's not unheard of for a puppy to hold it all night if they go right before bed.  I had 2-3 at home between weeks 8-11 and nobody had nightly accidents - and the ones who were home at 8 weeks slept through the night in their crates also.

Although they were keeping the exercise area of the whelping room pretty clean by 7 weeks...and not going in their whelping box at all by 5 weeks, and that was free choice...
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 26, 2007, 07:16:59 PM
Yep, I've heard of some puppies who don't need to go at night. Koda sure did though - like clockwork every night at 3AM for about three weeks. ::)
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: steph0808 on March 26, 2007, 07:28:19 PM
Brody slept with us from day 1 and so did Jax.  It was easier having Brody sleep with us to tell us when he needed to go out.  He would wake up, and either whine or lick your face, then we'd take him outside, he'd do his business, then it was back to bed.  But now he's 16 weeks and doesn't need to go out at night - he usually sleeps for a good 7-9 hours before he needs a potty break.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 26, 2007, 08:11:16 PM
Okay the signs are getting stronger I think.  Today she started sniffing but the problem with using the sniffing is she is a curious one and will sniff all over especially the kitchen looking for loose stuff if she can find it to eat or play with but before I could get my shoes on she went so I have had my shoes on the rest of the day today and the day was dry up until a little while ago when I was making dinner.  I had just peaked at her and she was laying down and I went back to making the food and heard her bark once and I called my daughter to take her out and Abbey trotted in the kitchen and peed.....yes it was on the kitch. floor but I am pretty sure that little bark was for me!!!!! She ate a healthy dinner just now and my husband took her and she had a movement.  I will still call this day an advance if we just keep to two tiny urine spots. 
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 26, 2007, 08:53:15 PM
Bell training might be for you - there's a sticky thread in this forum. Also, while you're making dinner you need to have her gated into the room with you or crated or otherwise under direct supervision of an adult. To prevent accident you really do have to watch her any time that she is not in her crate.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Ratfingers on March 27, 2007, 02:43:18 AM
With Cassius, it was very hard to tell when he needed to go out, and even when we took him out and he went potty, he would come back in, he would go 2 or 3 more times ??? It took constant supervision, a LOT of patience, and everyone in the house being consistant. He was completely accident free at 4 months (seemed like forever) and he then had a 10 day relapse at 6 months (to the date), he hasn't had an accident since.

On the other note, he has slept with me from day one, it is much easier (for me) to know when he is up and moving to get him outside when needed.

Good luck...

Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 27, 2007, 05:05:35 AM
Okay so I am not giving up on this.  It sounds like I am defeated but I have only had a week and my husband is trying to remind me that we have made headway.  She has not had a bowel movement in the house in two days.....we have caught her before those because we have gotten to tell that they come after #1 pretty regularly or eating or nap of course.  We had a couple accidents today and they are seeming to be my fault since one was when I was posting and didn't see her sniffing and the other was when I was making dinner and thought she was napping on the floor and she was awake.  I will start my Tuesday by keeping constant eye on her and see if we can go for no accident Tuesday....we are looking into the bell too.

As for her crate issues.....it is in the living room now instead of the basement but she will not calm down even when my husband is right next to her but when she sleeps with one of us it is a good night sleep for all and she doesn't have an accident because I am a light enough sleeper I either get up or let my husband take her and then she goes back to sleep for a couple more hours before getting restless again.  I hope that will be okay because that seems to be what we all prefer.

I would love to gate her in the kitchen but we have three entryways and it would be pricey but we are thinking of just putting one by the living room and closing the doors in the small hall on the one side and the other side is a small stairway to the backdoor that she doesn't go down unless she is going out.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  She turns 10 weeks old on Friday......my daughter turns 6 on the same day! They are both getting big!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: rac.cul on March 27, 2007, 05:42:07 AM
It can be very difficult to follow her around everywhere but when i was training zara she had major mistakes ,so i watched her movements.When she woke up from a sleep straight away she would be scooped up to go potty,after playing and generally when she would go rambling that is a major clue.
I also took up a blanket i had in the kitchen for her as she used to pee on it,everything is going great with her now no mistakes in 2 weeks but im holding my breath lol good luck you need it
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 27, 2007, 11:16:28 AM
It sounds like you are making progress. She's just over 9 weeks old, so it sounds like she isn't doing too bad.

If you have decided to keep her in your bed at night that is totally your choice, many people have great luck with that.

It's good that you're starting to learn her potty patterns. They typically have to potty right after they eat, sleep, or play, and about ever 30 min. in between as well if they are awake. For that reason, it helps to stick to a routine. If she eats, drinks, naps and plays at regular times then she'll also have to pee and poo at regular times, which makes it much easier to prevent accidents. Sometimes they don't give much warning at all because at her age she really has very little bladder control and she doesn't always know that she has to potty until it's too late. So knowing her schedule will save you a lot of accidents.

Keep up the good work, it won't be long til she's housetrained. :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: BoxerWB on March 27, 2007, 11:19:32 AM
Keep up the good work, it won't be long til she's housetrained. :2thumbsup:

But keep in mind "not long" still means several months before you can start depending on her.   Some folks say a dog isn't truly housetrained until they've gone 6 mos without an accident in the house (minus any unavoidables like illness, of course).  But it should get easier quickly, just be sure you keep up with it and don't let your guard down too early.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: abbeyroad on March 29, 2007, 12:10:24 AM
ABBEY HAD AN ACCIDENT FREE DAY!!!!!!!! We are very excited but know we have a long way to go.  The nine week old is showing promise especially since we have only been working on it for less than two weeks.  Thanks for the good advice from everyone.  Will keep looking on for pointers.
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: ~CLOWN~ on March 29, 2007, 06:44:32 AM
 ;D  An accident free day!  ;D Before you know it you'll have accident free weeks. Keep up the good work Abbey!!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: BoxerWB on March 29, 2007, 09:01:18 AM
Congrats!  Here is to many more!  Give yourself a pat on the back because accident free means you did a great job watching her! 
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Christen83 on March 29, 2007, 09:09:01 AM
BRAVO!!!!!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Bers on March 29, 2007, 11:02:16 AM
 :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: steph0808 on March 29, 2007, 11:05:06 AM
That is awesome! Brody was a quick learner with potty training too! Congrats!
Title: Re: Housetraining problems with 8 week old fawn
Post by: Krister182 on March 29, 2007, 05:33:53 PM
woohooo! Good work on both your parts, she's learning and you are being a good watch dog!