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Behavior and Training => Housetraining => Topic started by: Capones Momma on June 05, 2009, 01:13:57 PM

Title: Crate issues
Post by: Capones Momma on June 05, 2009, 01:13:57 PM
Hello all.  I am a brand new puppy mommy - I recently adopted a boxer puppy, Capone, from a kennel.  We have had him for 1 and 1/2 weeks and my husband and I are both very frustrated so far.  We have both never had a dog so this is all new territory for us and we really could use some help.
I think we may be crating our 11 week old puppy too much.  We crate him for bed time, and he barks or cries for like 5 mins then is quite the rest of the night (we do take him out every 4 hours to pee, but he is even fine going back in the crate).  He is very good in the crate at night.  However, my husband and I have opposite schedules.  I take the puppy out of his crate to feed him, let him goto the bathroom, and play for like an hour or more before I goto work at 9AM.  I then put him in his crate and my husband lets him out at 1pm and has him out for 3 hours before putting him back in the crate for 1 1/2 hours, then I am home at 6:30 or so and he is out until bedtime (11PM).  The issue is between 9AM and 1PM when my husband is trying to sleep.  The dog barks pretty much the whole time and my husband is only getting a couple hours sleep at the most.  I am wondering what will work to make him stop so my hubby can get some much needed sleep?
The crate is in our kitchen downstairs.   I have calculated the time he is in the crate and it is only 14 hours out of the day and that does not seem like much to me, but then again I have no idea.  My husband is very against him sleeping in our bed and does not want him out of the crate for fear of damaging our furniture or hurting himself when we are not there to supervise.  Does anyone have any advice?  There are other issues too that I have no idea what to do about but I thought I would start here.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Theresa on June 05, 2009, 01:18:17 PM
That schedule doesnt sound too difficult.  Have you tried leaving some music or something on for Capone?  I find that sooths Beas and Peanut
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: linz and ellie on June 05, 2009, 01:21:28 PM
That schedule doesnt sound too difficult.  Have you tried leaving some music or something on for Capone?  I find that sooths Beas and Peanut

What about giving him a kong or a filled frozen marrow bone to keep him entertained - always worked for me!
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Capones Momma on June 05, 2009, 03:23:39 PM
Those both sound like good suggestions.. I will have to try them.  We bough him a kong and filled it with peanut butter (natural kind of course) but the kong is much too big for him.  Its the size he would need when he is grown.  I am going to get a puppy one at the store this weekend along with some bones.  The bone marrow ones are okay?  I have heard some are not very safe for dogs.. maybe I am thinking of rawhide?  The other thing with Capone is that he looses interest in his toys very quickly.  Maybe I need to take some away for a while then represent them like they are new.  I heard that somewhere.  Work in progress but he is going to start puppy kindegarden tomorrow.  Thank goodness!  I think both mommy and Capone need it!  :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Theresa on June 05, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
Well...good luck.  I hope the radio/tv and kongs help
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Samsons Mom on June 05, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
try covering his kennel too. i had to cover samsons for a couple of months. it will get easy! i also used to take the water bowl away around 8pm. so he didnt have to potty every hour :dizzy2:
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Missy/Precious mom on June 05, 2009, 04:01:23 PM
I always leave the tv on for Precious when I am not home.  She is not crated, but that seems to soothe her.  When I do have to crate her I always leave a light on for her and the tv on. 
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: blynn03 on June 05, 2009, 06:22:20 PM
Those both sound like good suggestions.. I will have to try them.  We bough him a kong and filled it with peanut butter (natural kind of course) but the kong is much too big for him.  Its the size he would need when he is grown.  I am going to get a puppy one at the store this weekend along with some bones.  The bone marrow ones are okay?  I have heard some are not very safe for dogs.. maybe I am thinking of rawhide?  The other thing with Capone is that he looses interest in his toys very quickly.  Maybe I need to take some away for a while then represent them like they are new.  I heard that somewhere.  Work in progress but he is going to start puppy kindegarden tomorrow.  Thank goodness!  I think both mommy and Capone need it!  :fingerscrossed:

You're pretty much right on with all of this -

- A smaller kong might be better for him while he's young/small
- Rawhide is what can be dangerous for them - since it gets soft and they can bite big pieces off - it can present a choking hazard.  I don't give them at all, but if you decide you want to, it should ONLY be under supervision.
- Taking away toys and giving them back later is not a bad idea either....I know several others who have done the same.


You're on the right track!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: BoxerPerson on June 05, 2009, 08:01:51 PM
Sounds like you have things under control...puppies are a REAL handful...not as much as a kid, but trying at times for sure.  Keep the good work up :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: BoxerWB on June 05, 2009, 08:50:41 PM
Marrow bones are good - just make sure they are fresh and you may want to start out scooping some of the marrow out in case it is too much fat for him.  Also, it's cooked bones that are dangerous (rawhide too) so as long as you are getting the raw marrow/"soup" bones, you should be fine.

I also might try covering the crate, something to tell the pup it is "night-night" time.
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: linz and ellie on June 06, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
Good luck  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: ltournat on June 06, 2009, 01:08:55 PM
Could you put the crate in your bedroom?  Maybe he just feels like he's all alone, and knowing he's in the room with your hubby would calm him down?
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Capones Momma on June 06, 2009, 05:23:54 PM
Thank you for all the replies and the confirmation that we are on the right track with him.  I have actually tried covering his crate but that doesn't do much for him unfortunately.  I have suggested putting the crate in our bedroom but my hubby won't have it.. he feels like Capone will get used to that and always want to be in there with us and we don't want him to sleep in our bed.  I took him to puppy class and the vets today and they gave me some suggestions as well.   
The puppy class was great - he is the youngest pup there and definitely the most  rambunctious!  He is so cute though.. we started clicker training at the class today so that give us something to work on together for the rest of the week. 
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Theresa on June 06, 2009, 07:38:32 PM
You can put the crate in the bedroom and not allow him to sleep in the bed.  I didn't have the will power to say no to Beas wanting up in bed (especially during thunderstorms)
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Eilene on June 08, 2009, 04:50:12 PM
Our boxers did sleep with us at night..I felt bad because they were in the crate durning the day...Good luck and it will work out in the end if you are willing it to work..
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Patti on June 08, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
Otis' crate was always in our room and he never sleeps in the bed with us. He will jump up if invited but only likes to actually sleep on his bed on the floor. When he was a puppy it was much better having him in the room with us, he doesn't like to be by himself.
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Melon_Lord on June 08, 2009, 09:52:19 PM
Your pup is still on the training method. it takes some months for him to get over his crate training. My boxer was like that before.  My advice is: don't crate him when you can supervise him. Boxers love attention. When it's tme to sleep and he cries in this crate, go to some place in your house where he can't see you and eventually, he'll settle down. Our boxer started out like that before but got over it especially when we brought home a Shih Tzu who's only 2 months younger than him. Now we don't crate him at night, just when nobody's home as he really chews on everything. The time when we tried to uncrate him while leaving the house, he chewed on the converter box remote. But it's been easier to let him in the crate now. Unlike before where we have to force him to go to his crate when we leave the house.

I think you need more patience and should be consistent.
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Capones Momma on June 09, 2009, 11:36:17 AM
Well, things with the crate have not changed much since last week.  As I mentioned in my first post, he has been great in his crate at night when I sleep but last night he was not good at all.  He barked consistently for over an hour, until my husband when downstairs to try and soothe him by laying outside the crate on our kitchen floor, but Capone continued to bark like mad.  So my hubby took Capone out of the crate and cuddled with him on the living room floor and he feel right asleep.  I am worried now that he is regressing and instead of being good in there at night now he is going to start crying. 
He still hates it during the day when my hubby tries to sleep (half the week anyways because of his schedule).  The vet told me to put him in there when we are home and in the room with him - while I am cooking for example - so he doesn't think we are leaving him every time he gets put in there.  That doesn't work either - Capone continues to bark and yelp even though he can see me.  I am not sure what the issue is.  Until last night, we have been consistent to let him cry in there until he stops, but it is not getting any better.  I guess its getting worse because now he is crying at night when before he was fine in there.  I also tried to give him special treats while he is in there but all he does is cry and wants nothing to do with the treats.  The treat is a kong filled w/ PB and plain yogurt.  If that can't make him happy I don't know what will.  I also tried leaving the TV on - he didn't like that either.  I am afraid that he is going to have a bad case of separation anxiety.  And it is so hard to leave him there when he will bark and cry for hours when we are trying to sleep.  Not good for me and hubby, Capone, or our cats.  I can only imagine how annoyed the cats are, poor things.
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: boxer pal on June 17, 2009, 11:35:52 AM
I wish I had some answers for you.  Rudy has NEVER learned to tolerate being in his crate.  He gets to the point I'm afraid he'll break a tooth trying to bend the crate enought to escape!  I don't know if you guys remember the pics I took of how badly he bent his crate when he was younger?   :wreck:
I put him in the larger crate we got Romy just the other day when the Direct TV guy was here.  He was fine for the first few minutes and then started getting anxious and trying to chew on the bars.  He even had a high value chew in there that he paid no attention to. 
My two are pretty reliable when we leave them loose in the house.  ONCE in a great while we'll come home and find a newspaper or magazine chewed up or the bill of a cap that Dave has left laying around so I'm VERY thankful for that!  But there are times when I really would like to fix Rudy's crate issues too.
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Theresa on June 17, 2009, 11:40:32 AM
Beas didnt like sleeping in the crate at night (I went through nearly 6 months of H#$L trying to get him to sleep in it) and finally we let him out at night (and let him sleep in bed with us) and he stopped.  He didn't really like being crated while at work but was ok.  At about 2-2.5 years old we transitioned him to half day in crate, half day in bedroom.  At 3.5 he got access to the entire downstairs and is great.
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: BoxerPerson on June 17, 2009, 11:56:28 AM
I had my crate in the bedroom...but then I did allow them in bed too. I am weak :yes:
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: Theresa on June 17, 2009, 01:10:23 PM
I had my crate in the bedroom...but then I did allow them in bed too. I am weak :yes:

I think quite a few of us have this weekness
Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: linz and ellie on June 19, 2009, 06:51:44 AM
Mine werent crated at night time either, They have their own sofa in one of my spare rooms and they slept on that, worked much better for everyone.

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Title: Re: Crate issues
Post by: DingBat on June 19, 2009, 10:57:43 AM
What's your husband doing with him before he goes back into the crate?  Tiring out a puppy before they're put into the kennel really helps, and it doesn't take much time or effort to tire out a young pup.  Half hour in the back yard working on the clicker training or running around should do the trick!

Good luck!