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« on: March 18, 2011, 12:07:38 PM »

Well, a couple weeks ago, I posted on here about Tyson's vet trip for his bobble head and the discovery that his lipase was so high (in the 3000 and 1800 is the max level on the test).  He went for his follow up yesterday and when the vet got this trip's results, the levels were in the 4000!!!   wreck  Thing is, Tyson is FINE health wise and acting.  He has appropriate energy and he is eating and he's not vomiting or having diarrhea.  He's not drinking excessively.  The vets are dumbfounded.  They first wanted to put him on Vitamin B supplements, then changed their minds.  Then they gave us some Pancrezyme tablets to give him.  We're supposed to give him two in the morning and two at night.  It is supposedly an enzyme supplement to aid digestion.  They also changed his diet to a prescription dog food, Purina EN, which is supposed to be more easily digestable.  Michael feels SOOOOOOO guilty because we had been feeding him Kibbles and Bits (yes yes I know, I know, so you know, you don't have to tell me).  We had tried him on Blue Buffalo and a few other dogs foods but he ate that the best and we also feed our outside dog that.  So Michael feels AWFUL because he finally looked it up and saw how bad it was for him (I tried to tell him...) and that it was basically not only full of corn and by products but full of SUGAR and can cause pancreatitis.  He was so upset last night.  I told him not to worry about it, that we'll change the dog food and it will be ok.  Of course, Tyson loves the Purina EN (good!) and it's like $50 for 18lbs. 

The diet change is a big plus of course and we're sticking with that for now.  But the curious issue that I'm wondering if you all have experienced is the fact that even though his lipase is HIGHLY elevated he has absolutely zero symptoms or health issues that should be showing up.  He is a healthy 61lbs, 24 inches tall.  He's muscular, runs, plays, is happy.  No vomiting, diarrhea.  Healthy appetite, healthy thirst.  We don't really want to give him the pancrezyme tablets...

I'm worried about doing things that might make him sick.  Hard to explain what I mean but you know how you might feel fine and go in for a physical and the dr finds something that may or may not be an issue but pursues it and then you feel like crap?  Well, I don't want to do that to our little boy.  But at the same time, I don't want to NOT do something that might help him.   Huh?  We're considering just starting with the diet change and then going in for a follow up again before we start the tablets too? 

As for the bobble head...he's still having it.  The vet wants us to keep a diary of when it happens, what he's doing before hand, what seems to help it, etc so that he can track a pattern, or lack of a pattern.  There is a theory that it could be glucose related (though his sugar has always been fine in the blood panels).  Michael and I are hoping that getting him off the crap dog food might make it stop...if the food is that high in sugar, he may be having glucose episodes? 

I just don't know what course of action to take I guess.  Obviously, we want him to be healthy (duh) but we don't want to push him into feeling bad by giving him stuff he doesn't need?  Its like, we would've never known the lipase was high if we hadn't gone to get him checked for the bobble head.  They did a mini panel to check his liver function and glucose and thyroid and they saw his lipase was elevated.  The vet said maybe his lipase has always been high.  Has anyone else ever had experience with this issue and what did you do?
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2011, 01:11:40 PM »

Geez....I have no idea what is going on with him. The only time I have experienced high lipase levels is when Zoe had pancreatitis, but her amylase was high also and she was vomiting and had diarrhea.  I would think if it were pancreatitis he would have some sort of symptoms.

Does the vet think the high lipase and the head bobbling are related?  I would put him on the prescription food and then have him retested in a month or so to see if his levels are better.  confused
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2011, 02:06:57 PM »

Yeah I asked Michael if Tyson's amylase was high yesterday and he said no, just the lipase and it was just the lipase the first time too.  And then of course, symptomless. 

They're not sure if the head bobbing is related.  Mostly I think the vet wants to rule out that it's not some sort of low-grade seizure.  We personally don't think so but there's no harm in tracking the occurences to see if there's a trigger. 

We DEFINITELY changed the food and so far, so good.  Tyson really loves it.  As far as the Pancrezyme tablets go, I think I just feel more comfortable holding off on them for a bit.  Doing the diet and having him retested to see if it's coming down. 

I'm doing google searches for the issue and not coming up with much. Sad

I'm so glad Tyson seems to be feeling healthy and perfect!  But I worry that his levels are so high with no explanation...   Sad
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 02:10:54 PM »

Yeah I did a quick search of high lipase levels too and came up with nothing except Pancreatitis.  All his other levels were ok, right? Kidney levels ok?

I would hold off on the Pancrezyme tablets too. Try the diet first and hopefully that will bring it back down to normal.

Darn dogs, cause us nothing but worry!  wreck
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 02:31:45 PM »

I would only change the food for now. Changing two things at one time...how do you know which one worked? That is always my theory. Hope it helps him.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011, 02:36:58 PM »

 Fingers Crossed that the diet change makes him all better and you won't need the medication.

How is the head bobbing, is that still going on since you changed his diet?
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 03:22:13 PM »

Hoping you find soemthing out and his levels come down with the new food
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2011, 03:28:20 PM »

Yeah that's what I think too, one thing at a time. 

Yes, all his other levels are normal!  Just that darn lipase!

We just started his new food last night so we'll see if the head bobbing also decreases.  He has only had about 5 or 6 episodes of it in the last week.  Mostly if he just wakes up or is just laying relaxing with us.  If he's playing or focused, he hardly has them. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011, 03:55:54 PM »

I agree on only changing one thing at a time...sending my best to you and Tyson.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 11:42:12 PM »

Yup I agree with everyone else, just start off with the new diet. I sure hope you get it figured out  Fingers Crossed Fingers Crossed
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