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« on: January 02, 2010, 01:55:31 PM »

I understand that Boxers live on average from eight to ten years.  I also read that American Staffordshire Terriers and American Bulldogs live on average from 12 to 14 years. 

First, are these numbers reliable and accurate?  Second, if they are, why such a difference between Boxers and the others?  Is it because Boxers are so popular that BYBs are ruining the breed?

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 05:30:31 PM »

My personal experience from knowing many boxer owners and, unfortunately, being around when their older dogs have passed is that boxers live in the 10-12 year range. The difference in life expectancy may have something to do with the boxers size, as the larger a dog is the shorter it's life span tends to be. It may also be due to life shortening illnesses that boxers are prone to, I'm thinking mainly cancer. But I don't know the particular health aspects of those other breeds, so I'm really just speculating.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 06:50:32 PM »

The 8-10 year estimate seems to be an old number based on a time when the expectations of veterinary care was different.  I believe 10-12 is more on par with what I've heard as an expected age range, not counting catastrophes (major injury, viral illness, etc).

The agility list I'm on just published a list of passings in the past year - 11 dogs, average age 8 BUT there were some catatrophic losses (I can't remember which dogs - the cause of death isn't listed in the yearly email). 

5 out of the 11 were in double-digit ages, with the oldest being 14.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 03:19:00 PM »

I've long wondered where average lifespan figures come from, have heard many different numbers for many different breeds.  A few vets have told me that Boxers tend to die younger than most other breeds and they rarely see any past 9-10.  A member of my dog training club has had Boxers for many years and told me she's never had one live past 9, currently has a 9-year-old with cancer.  Sad

I just went through the first five pages of the In Memory forum (how depressing, tried to just skim through getting the info I wanted) and found that, excluding deaths due to accidents, abuse or neglect, or young puppies, out of 23 Boxers the average age at death was 8.3 years.  The oldest was 13 and there were five 12-year-olds.

It would be interesting to see how the averages vary between dogs from BYBs just sticking Boxers together randomly vs. Conformation show breeders (and those further broken down into ones who health test vs. those who just focus on conformation show potential), US vs. UK vs. Continental, conformation vs. working lines, etc. etc. etc.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 08:46:10 PM »

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I just went through the first five pages of the In Memory forum (how depressing, tried to just skim through getting the info I wanted) and found that, excluding deaths due to accidents, abuse or neglect, or young puppies, out of 23 Boxers the average age at death was 8.3 years.  The oldest was 13 and there were five 12-year-olds.

It would be interesting to see how the averages vary between dogs from BYBs just sticking Boxers together randomly vs. Conformation show breeders (and those further broken down into ones who health test vs. those who just focus on conformation show potential), US vs. UK vs. Continental, conformation vs. working lines, etc. etc. etc.

I'd say the average in my pedigree is currently 9-10, although I'm working on improving that by breeding to older lines. It's probably pretty accurate to say that most of the dogs on this board are BYB bred, although I'm not negating that there are some show lines that average 8-10 years.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 09:35:49 AM »

the ones that made it the longest for me were - Nikki angel 13.5 years and she had kidney failure and Hailey:angel: even with DM made it to 2 months past her 10th birthday.  I think it also could depend on how well you take care of them, not just the longevity in their line.

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 09:48:11 AM »

My boy Titan made it to 13.  Back then holtering was just starting so none of his parents were tested other than hips . He was tested and was diagnosed with ARVC . But still lived a long and happy life .
 He was from working lines .

Charlotte was health tested as were both of her parents . She was from show lines . She passed at age 7 .

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 09:52:34 AM »

I think there are many factors in longevity!!!  Genetics, environment, food, healthcare, and even love...  I know in the past when I personally was depressed, I was much  more unhealthy!!!  If the dog receives love, they are happier which makes them healthier!!! 

There are so many factors to consider when you are talking about the lifespan of this breed, and NO guarantees to it either!!  BUT, as I said early today... the more info we have the better off we are!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2010, 10:02:19 AM »

As was said before, many things go into longevity.
I wonder how many think the heavy line breeding done early in the history of the breed may have contributed to it?

I shudder when I see some past prominent studs that died young.

Bang Away which was responsible for the US type died at 8.
Dorian von Marienhof also died at 8.
Mazelaine's Zazarac Brandy died at 8.
Utz von Dom died at 9.
Warlord of Mazelaine died at 10.
Lustig von Dom died at 11.
Sigurd von Dom died at 12. Which as a side note was cryptorchid, that probably didn't affect his longevity.
Rolf von Vogelsberg died at 12.
Not pointing fingers here, but I have seen some important European studs die as young as 6!
Ofcourse, it could have been disease or the available medical care. But from the partial data above, it would appear that the "older" dogs lived longer.
But I wonder.....
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2010, 12:07:49 PM »

There are many factors involved in longevity. What I tell people is if you want a dog plan to dedicate 10-20 years to that animal no matter what the breed. In my personal experience I have known more boxers who have passed away around the age of 8-9, however I have also known a couple that were 12 years old and you'd never think they were a day over 2!
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2010, 12:20:01 PM »

Bang Away which was responsible for the US type died at 8.

I'm confused--all of these dogs were responsible for the US type, not just Bang Away. . .

And yes, you'll find dogs on both sides of the pond that unfortunately have passed away as young as 6 (sadly, sometimes younger). Sad
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2010, 01:02:56 PM »

I guess what I meant with Bang Away was that it is said that there is not many US lined dogs that can't trace back to him in their pedigree.
Not saying he is responsible for longevity. But wondering if at least in US lines heavy line breeding on him passed some these issues on.
Much like in European lines with Carlo V. Henningshof. Which btw if anyone knows how long he lived I would be interested.

In any manner it still seems to me that the older type lived longer.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2010, 01:11:46 PM »

I guess i'm one of the lucky boxer owners.My first boxer(bogie)who came from  health tested parents lived till 12 yrs and 8 months(dm)...Nikita who is still with me is a rescue who has cancer and she is 12 yrs and 8 months.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 01:13:38 PM »

I think the older "type" of Boxers or our Founding Boxers lived longer, because they were more diverse.  They were founded off of different breeds, specifically working dogs that the breeders knew could handle certain jobs.  Even in the 20's & 30's the Boxer was being worked and used, so the best candidates were the ones with the working traits.  They began inbreeding on these dogs, to form the breed as we know it. They wanted those Boxers' traits, not only in conformation but in type and in ability to form today's boxer.  
The Vom Dom Boxers HONESTLY were still really diverse due to their line being one of the first.  Sure it doesn't take as long for a breed to form, but in all honesty when the Wagner's(or whomever else was) were importing from the Vom Dom kennel, the breed was still so new.  It wasn't truly formed yet, while genetically they were Boxers, they still had other breeds close in their pedigree.  Frau even said in her book, that one of her favorite bitches (I don't think she owned it) had been mismated to a schnauzer and the progeny incorporated into the breed, and that is where our "black" boxer comes from!
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 01:15:57 PM »

I guess i'm one of the lucky boxer owners.My first boxer(bogie)who came from  health tested parents lived till 12 yrs and 8 months(dm)...Nikita who is still with me is a rescue who has cancer and she is 12 yrs and 8 months.
You are lucky, my first Boxer (he was actually my hubbies, born in 2000) died in 2005. My first female died when she was 8, I am not sure what Mazie died from... we didn't do a necropsy.. But Tyson died of a snake bite.....
My Corky is 7, and I am hoping to have her around for at least another 4 years!!!!!!!!
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