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« on: July 29, 2008, 09:24:10 PM »

Last night I was in such a state I couldn't remember everything that went on but after a full day to think things over I remember she mentioned "pressure points" which can bring a dog to obedience (a genuine behaviourist wouldn't need to resort to these methods) She must have touched one of those points to make Arbie yelp! Have any of you heard of this?
I don't believe how angry I feel! I am a Christian and shouldn't be having this hate building up inside me! But I can't seem to help it!
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 09:53:18 PM »

The short answer is yes, dogs do have pressure points.  There are several different kinds, but without getting into any mysticism, most pressure points and indeed the kind that the behaviorist was referring to, in humans or otherwise, are simply junctions of nerves that, properly stimulated, can produce feelings of intense pleasure or intense pain.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 10:06:09 PM »

Suzanne Clothier has a booklet that addresses how to position and touch a dog to help shift them into a better frame of mind.....here is a link to that booklet from dogwise, also a brief note in her free articles archive
http://www.dogwise.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=DTB507
http://www.flyingdogpress.com/attitude.html

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 10:19:40 PM »

Here is a link that shows accupressure points for dogs.
http://www.wbvc.bc.ca/canine1.Htm
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 07:54:08 AM »

Interesting stuff.

I know how you feel about being upset with someone that has done something wrong to you or a loved one.  Take a deep breath and as a Christian, pray for her.  That really helps.

Good luck to you
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 08:22:28 AM »

The trainer or behaviorist's methods sound similar to what you see on The Dog Whisperer show.  He says the poke in the neck is similar to the mother nipping a pup.  Not endorsing his methods, just pointing out the likely source of the behaviouists actions.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 09:47:03 AM »

Interesting stuff.

I know how you feel about being upset with someone that has done something wrong to you or a loved one.  Take a deep breath and as a Christian, pray for her.  That really helps.

Good luck to you
Thanks - I did say a prayer today and feel a load better.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 06:04:55 PM »

I know our puppers have pressure points, but I've never explored any that might cause pain.  There are a couple on the head that I use with Isa to put her in a more relaxed frame of mind (like when they are mowing the grass or there is some kind of constant noisy sound).

I can't blame you for feeling the way you have been.  I wouldn't be able to bite my tongue or avoid "bad" thoughts about the trainer.  I think I would also make it a point to make sure anyone I knew looking for a trainer knew to avoid this one.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 06:44:54 PM »

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The trainer or behaviorist's methods sound similar to what you see on The Dog Whisperer show.  He says the poke in the neck is similar to the mother nipping a pup.  Not endorsing his methods, just pointing out the likely source of the behaviouists actions.

Sorry, I don't see the similarities at all.  First of all, the method he uses sometimes is the equivalent of a tap and is used in conjunction with a verbal stimulus to get the dog's attention.  And IIRC, he uses this when dogs start approaching what he refers to as the "red zone".  There is no attempt here, either explicitly or implicitly to target a pressure point whatsoever.  As I stated earlier, mysticism/healing aspects aside, the singular goal of stimulating a pressure point is one of two things--to elicit either extreme pleasure, or conversely extreme pain.  Neither approach is even remotely applicable to the corrections that the Dog Whisperer uses.  Further, if the 'scruff of the neck' were the location of a pressure point, you would not see mothers carrying their young in that manner as it would represent the source of a great deal of pain to the young--and this is not the case.
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 06:59:52 PM »

I have been doing a little more research into pressure points (spoke to vet, neurologist and found a couple of sites on the internet) and have found that although they can be used for calming they should be used with a lot of caution with dogs who have pain or discomfort. AND preferably NOT AT ALL!! It can make a dog become fear-aggressive! Which I suspect happened when she started touching his head. I have had time to think - here is an example of myself: I have fibromyalgia - sometimes the muscles in my shoulder blade go into a spasm and hit the spine - the pain is excruciating - all I want to do is stop more pain - so if anyone goes anywhere near my back I go into defence mode. It is now a learned behaviour - even when my muscle isn't in spasm if someone goes anywhere near my spine - I jump and move away or retaliate!
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